Posts by life is to short

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Can anyone disprove 607 BCE date using only the NWT and WT literature?

by Bart Belteshassur in

i haven't come across any arguement that does not involve secular history and external references.

in fact the wt can not get to 607 bce without using external sources as in knowing that they need to get back from 1914 ce to 607 bce, and botching an argument using an external date as reference to create their start point at 537 bce.. i realize that to get the final date we must provide a fixed figure from somewhere which can only be a historical source, but the objective would be to disprove the wt flim flam.

once that is achieve we can use which ever fixed historical point they wish to chose.

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Question for current and former elders: did you feel qualified to give counsel for depression?

by kneehighmiah in

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do you feel the counseling demands placed on elders are fair and scriptural?.

i live in an economically depressed industial city.

my dad is an elder in a lower income black congregation.

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I can only speak as an elders wife but it was horrible. My husband did truly care about the mentally ill and most of the other elders would not even talk to them. The CoBE one time actually ran in the hall from one horribally ill guy. This guy did not bath and just mumbled when he talked but loved to go out in service so we always would up with him in our car group. I would have to spray the car with Lysol after service as our car smelled so bad. What the householders thought I have often wondered. What it was a day out for the mentally ill. To be with him or any of them at the door was so painful, I just wanted crawl away so many times. But they had their rights to go door to door.

I have been out in service with people who are hearing voices, who shake so badly they cannot even hold thier Bibles. I have been yelled at, screamed at, told I had no right as I was just the wife, you name it I have been there, done that.

We had one guy threaten to kill us and when we called Bethel telling them we were going to go to the police Bethel told us NO! They did not want Jehovah's name brought into it. Like sending extream mentally ill people door to door was not bring reporch on Jehovah's name? I went through two years of hell by this guy coming into the restaurant where I worked threating me. Only when one of the halls in the area got a restraining order would my husband agree that we could but even with the restraining order it did nothing as the guy was so crazy. I really thought he would kill us as he had many guns in his home.

The CO at the time all of this was happening told me that I was being unfair when I told him I could not handle it, I was totally losing it. We did not have a marriage, and we were just newely married as my husband was gone all the time. The CO told me that Jehovah was using my husband now and I could have him in the new system which was going to happen very soon. That was 25 years ago now.

It all came to a head with the pedophiles and I just lost it finally when a CO told me that I had no say in taking the child molesters in MY CAR because my husband was an elder. That was the final straw and I was done. We went to marriage counseling and even the counselor told my husband she could only handle an hour with a truly mentally ill person without a break. Here my husband had been spending hour, and hours and hour either on the phone or at their homes.

The marriage counselor agreeded with me that it was crazy for the religion to expect someone untrained like my husband to be an elder. Then the body deleated my husband because after all the years of hell I went through, by my standing up about the pedophiles I was not in subjection enough now and my husband did not qualify because he could not keep me in line.

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Pixar the production company is jealous of Caleb and Sophia video's

by life is to short in

so said the co last night.. apparently a jw was on a flight and just happend to sit next to some big wig from pixar and when the man from pixar heard that he was a jw the pixar man just gushed over what great work that the watchtower has done in producing the caleb video's.

he siad he only wished pixar could do such great work.

the co said we are able to do it because we have free labor and jehovah behind us.. my husband stayed home from the meeting but wanted to tie in by phone and that is what the co said in his talk.. the co also talked about all the changes that have happened in the last ten years and how if some of the friends did not like it they needed and to quote him "they just needed to get over it" these changes are going to happned period.

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On the way out I loved your urban legend of the Pope being jealous of how the GB have been able to sweep the pedophiles under the rug. That is a story I would have way more of a chance of believing.

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I do not miss anything about the conventions

by Darth Fader The Sequel in

this weekend nearly everyone i have ever known or that i am related to is sitting in a convention.

i miss none of it!!!!.

i do not miss:.

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I so agree, have a very nice and stressless afternoon with your family.

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Pixar the production company is jealous of Caleb and Sophia video's

by life is to short in

so said the co last night.. apparently a jw was on a flight and just happend to sit next to some big wig from pixar and when the man from pixar heard that he was a jw the pixar man just gushed over what great work that the watchtower has done in producing the caleb video's.

he siad he only wished pixar could do such great work.

the co said we are able to do it because we have free labor and jehovah behind us.. my husband stayed home from the meeting but wanted to tie in by phone and that is what the co said in his talk.. the co also talked about all the changes that have happened in the last ten years and how if some of the friends did not like it they needed and to quote him "they just needed to get over it" these changes are going to happned period.

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So said the CO last night.

Apparently a JW was on a flight and just happend to sit next to some big wig from Pixar and when the man from Pixar heard that he was a JW the Pixar man just gushed over what great work that the Watchtower has done in producing the Caleb video's. He siad he only wished Pixar could do such great work. The CO said we are able to do it because we have free labor and Jehovah behind us.

My husband stayed home from the meeting but wanted to tie in by phone and that is what the CO said in his talk.

The CO also talked about all the changes that have happened in the last ten years and how if some of the friends did not like it they needed and to quote him "they just needed to get over it" these changes are going to happned period. Also some have been saying that some of the changes were to save money and that is not the case in the least.

It just made me sick to listen to and I know there are those of you who are going to put me down for listening to the meeting so bring it on and slam me for it. I listened and that is that. I am kind of stuck in the middle with my husband still believing and I want to know what is happening because it still affects me.

OK so now that, that is said, it just made me sick and my head hurts to know that everyone at the meeting was commenting saying how great the changes were and how happy they are for Jehovah speading up the work. The JW's who are in do not seem to be able to see the Wizard behind the curtain. And these are younger ones in the late 20's and 30's.

I am just speachless and I just do not get how anyone can fall for all of this.

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Also for those who do not know Pixar is the one who made such movies as Toy story 1 and 2, Finding Nemo, Mosters Inc, UP, Cars, etc but they are jealous of the Cabeb video. Yeh right!

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I'm sitting here listening to a JW try to recruit somebody

by Terry in

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i'm at starbucks .

just outside in the courtyard.. i'm trembling.

my hands are shaking.. wow!.

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Thanks for sharing your story also, I have really enjoyed how you reason so well.

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The Bible Teach book illustration about the child having to be put through a painful operation

by defender of truth in

had you going there for a minute ;).

now you're here... there are several problems with that illustration, as i see it.. ..... 1) god is the one who inflicted the life threatening ailment that requires an operation.

(he supposedly decided what sin would be defined as, then once adam 'sinned', he cursed all of adams descendants to sin, grow old and die.).

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dft I loved your post thanks so much for taking the time to write it and thanks billy for the other link.

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R and me, part 2

by Pistoff in

so i am at the funeral for the son of an old mentor of mine and my closet truth friends.. .

(i talked about r in a previous post, he was the most formative person in my life in the truth, and those of my family and friends.).

i was pulled aside by r's wife; she tells me that r wants to talk to me.. .

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Thank you for your memories. It brought back a lot of feelings for me also. Sometimes thinking of the past and how I felt about the older ones as a young person looking up to them, putting so much trust in them that it makes my heart hurt so much now for what could have been and should have been. All the pain and hurtfulness and yet good time mixed into it all. It's hard for me to make sense of it all now.

I agree that sending a card would be a kind way to go.

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How many things did you toss out in the name of Jehoover

by love2Bworldly in

i had a flash back yesterday.

my non jw husband and i went to disneyland and bought my young daughter a set of 7 dwarf toys.

after a few months i felt guilty and threw them away, thinking they were demonized.

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I was told by an elder that I had to throw away the song 1999 by Prince. He really tore into me about having that song in my home. Now Prince is suposed to be a JW and still making the same music that I had to throw out. I guess now it's OK to have his CD's?

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R and me

by Pistoff in

what is it like for you when you run into someone from your happy days growing up in the kingdom hall?.

it happened to me recently, and it brought out a flood of memories about r, an old friend and mentor.. it is a service day; as we drive along route 6 in rs gray four door rambler ambassador, we pass a baptist church.

it is a thursday afternoon, sunny and warm, and r and i are on our way to the territory to make calls.

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Your right Pistoff in the fact that even through they were so hurtful there was this huge part of me that liked them, because they could be nice, really nice at times. I think for me it was because I believed it so strongly that I sort of worshiped these men for who they were in the "truth". Now all I see is how sad it all was and how they used their power in hurtful ways.

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